Dateline NBC Does DXM Special

[PeoplesMind]

Addicted to cough medicine?
Key ingredient in over-the-counter cough remedies proves addictive, even deadly to some who abuse it
By Edie Magnus

Ever lose sleep worrying about your teen-ager and drugs? There are reports of a new threat, from a drug you've probably given your children to get some sleep: cough and cold medicine. It's right there in your medicine cabinet, generally safe if used as directed. But in large amounts it can become a dangerous, even deadly mind-altering drug.

Jonathan: “Okay, Joe it's been an hour and a half since you started. Are you hallucinating?”
Joe: “I think I can if I close my eyes but I want to take all my pills before I start doing that.”

Those are the voices of two college buddies at the start of a psychedelic drug trip. It is December, 2002, their voices frozen in time, preserved on tape.

Jonathan: “What are you seeing?”
Joe: “I closed my eyes and I saw this hall with these arches and in these arches were like giant eyeballs.”

What's remarkable about this experience, the first of many for these young men, is that neither of them, as far as anyone knows, had ever dabbled with drugs before. In fact, one of them, Jonathan Frary from Peoria, Illinois, was the very picture of a small town, all-American boy.

Growing up, his parents say, Jonathan had two passions: an ambition to be a military pilot and an intense interest in the meaning of dreams. But after two years at the Air Force Academy in Colorado, they say, Jonathan soured on military life and decided to transfer closer to home and major in psychology at Illinois State University.

Greg Frary: “I can hardly say it without crying, but he was not only my son but he was my best friend.”

But he was a best friend who was keeping a terrible secret. Jonathan completely hid his drug trips from his dad. In September 2003, Jonathan was 22 and just two months shy of graduation. He came home one weekend to see his sister's newborn and before going back to school, asked his mom to get him some orange juice.

Linda Frary: “I felt pretty bad when I found out later what he was using the orange juice for, you know, but I had no idea.”

Three days later, with no word from Jonathan, Greg Frary drove to his son's apartment. A maintenance man let him in.

Greg Frary: “I walked into the bedroom and I saw Jon laying on the floor. He was just laying there, dead.”

Edie Magnus: “What else did you see?”

Greg Frary: “While I was sitting next to Jon's body, I was looking around his room. And that's when I saw the orange juice and this brown vial that I picked up. And it had a very long word wrapped around the vial.”

The word on the vial was dextromethorphan. To Greg Frary, the word meant little. But to his wife, Linda, it rang a bell.

Linda Frary: “I knew that it was a drug, that it was a cough suppressant in Robitussin cause I had heard that on TV.”

The coroner ruled that Jonathan Frary had died of an accidental overdose of dextromethorphan, or DXM, the first such death ever recorded in Illinois. The Frarys were crushed and mystified. Not only had their straight arrow son died of a overdose, but he'd overdosed on a cough suppressant, a simple drug store product that might be found in their own medicine cabinet.

Greg Frary: “Even as I was kneeling next to his body I said, John, why did you do this? This was stupid.”

The answer, it turned out, was right there in Jonathan's apartment. It was there that Greg Frary found hours of tape recordings, which revealed that the innocuous cough suppressant, taken in large doses, was acting as an hallucinogen.

In the early audiotapes, Jonathan and a friend are heard-taking extraordinarily high doses of Coricidin, a common over the counter cough and cold medicine which contains DXM.

Greg Frary: "The recordings I've listened to, that he and his friend made while tripping, sound like they had a lot of fun."

Edie Magnus: “So you understand why he liked it?”

Greg Frary: “Yes, I would have to admit that if I were younger, and it was available to me I might have used it. I'm ashamed to admit it but yes, knowing how much he was like me, you know, I can see that happening.”

Jonathan Frary became yet another casualty of a disturbing new adolescent drug craze: Lots of kids, it turns out, are tripping, experiencing highs akin to LSD or PCP, on massive quantities of cough and cold medicines that are sold over the counter every day. more than 140 of them contain the ingredient dextromethorphan. There are no reliable numbers on DXM abuse, but Dateline found cases across the country of teenagers -- and even some adults -- winding up in drug treatment, in the hospital, and in the morgue. By some estimates there've been more than a dozen DXM related deaths.

At a special Minnesota school for recovering addicts called Sobriety High, teens say they chased the DXM high until they nearly died from overdoses or attempted suicide. They say they heard about it from friends, that it takes about a bottle of liquid or eight pills to get high.

Edie Magnus: “One bottle of Robitussin? You just drink it down? All that syrup?”

Girl: “I'd throw it up. I couldn't do the Robitussin.”

Boy: “That's why most of us did pills.”

Not only do cold tablets like Coricidin contain 30 milligrams of dextromethorphan, more than other cold medicines, these teens say it was also the easiest to steal and conceal.

Nick: “I'd grab a couple of boxes, open them up, and depending on if I felt like walking or not, I'd walk through the aisles and throw empty boxes into other containers and just put the sheets in my pocket. So that way, you know, if someone did catch me, they would have no proof that I stole it.”

Edie Magnus: Did you think you wouldn't get hurt?

Nick: “You don't really think about it… Toward the end I was taking 60 to 80 pills a day and by then I wasn't able to speak.”

Edie Magnus: “How come you didn't die, any of you?”

Nick: “You can grow tolerance really quick. You’ve got to push it up by a couple of pills a day.”

So when Nick, who was gobbling up to 80 pills a day, was hospitalized with an overdose, his parents were suddenly faced with losing him to a drug they'd never worried about in their wildest imaginings.

Janna: “I had gone through his room, and done, under the guise of cleaning it, had done a thorough search. But I was looking for, like, alcohol, marijuana, you know.”

Edie Magnus: “The drugs you know.”

Janna: “Yeah. I wasn't looking for cold medicine.”

In the silence of cyberspace, there's a far flung community of devoted DXM abusers swapping recipes for cough syrup brownies and Coricidin cocktails, and dispensing advice on how to reach higher highs or plateaus. It was online that Jonathan Frary apparently found vendors who would sell him pure DXM powder, the powder in the brown vial that killed him.

Dr. Shannon Miller is a psychiatrist with the U.S. military, and one of the few addiction specialists who has researched the use of dextromethorphan among adults and teens. He says that DXM has a number of dangers, including dehydration, seizures, liver problems, and even cardiac arrest -- these from ingesting huge amounts of some of the other ingredients contained in those cough and cold medicines.

Dr. Miller: “It can be very dangerous.”

Edie Magnus: “Isn't there a certain element of common sense about this? Like no kidding, if you take too much you're going to have an adverse outcome.”

Dr. Miller: “Sure, but something is happening in the machinery of the brain to cause you to want to exceed that dose over and over and over again.”

DXM's addiction potential is another risk Dr. Miller says is poorly understood. In experiments, it has been shown to hook animals every bit as much as PCP, but its addictive properties haven't been studied in humans.

Dr. Miller: “If the users aren’t aware that this is more than just a trip but there are medical risks that include addiction risks then we have a big problem.”

The National Institute for Drug Abuse is now sounding an alarm about DXM, listing it as an hallucinogen, along with LSD and PCP.

But another government agency, the Food and Drug Administration, says DXM is safe and effective when used properly -- and that no drug is safe above the recommended dose. An agency spokesperson told Dateline there are no plans to require additional warnings about DXM on the products you buy over the counter, all of which puts the burden on parents and their kids to be aware of the risks of DXM abuse -- before they find out the hard way.

Linda Frary: “I guess the one thing I really want parents to know is that if it can happen to our son, it can happen to yours.”

Even though cough medications are sold over the counter, some pharmacies are now keeping them behind the counter, to keep kids from stealing them.

[KILLBILL]

In the silence of cyberspace, there's a far flung community of devoted DXM abusers swapping recipes for cough syrup brownies

What a load of shit.

No mention of the chlorpheniramine maleate in Coricidin either.

[TODD BLANKENSHIP]

ok this is murmurmaid. ive been waiting for this to air for a long time, i was supposed to be on this show. i talked back and forth with tim beachman for a long time through emails and on the phone and he seemed really shady but willing to let me talk about some important issues. but he tried to pay me for some home videos i have of me and my friends "fucked up" and i told him ok, as long as i got to say what i wanted to say on the subject, like about how the media constantly misrepresents dxm, never mentions cpm, ect... finally i was like fuck this, theyll just edit out the important shit and make me look stupid. after watching this im REALLY glad i decided not to. i cant believe some of the conversations i had with tim beachman. he KNOWS that its the cpm making these idiot kids sick but thye dont mention it. go figure.

the chick that did that report is our very own digits sister BTW, but rest assured she didnt haver anything to do with this. when edie first decided to do a story on dxm she said "we want someone to go undercover into a club where kids are abusing dxm"... LAME

[Pupil]

"cough syrup brownies and Coricidin cocktails"

I would love to see where on the internet they post these recipies.

[faygo_nnja]

Words cannot describe how pissed i am at shows like Dateline and 20/20. First they screwed Mic Foley by editing everything he said out and made him look bad. I realize they probably do this on almost very segment to push their agenda. This special really made me realize this yet again.

Its sad they made no mention of CPM. They make it seem like all users use the "60-80" pills a day like that kid did and that its a massively addictive substance. Its only addictive if you make it so. People like that really are going to ruin it for the rest of us. Hopefully more specials dont start popping up..

[MR_AK]

welcome to the USA. They always will make drugs and drug users look bad no matter how you look it at it. But your right its fucked up that they make it look like its DXM thats killing every one, when its really the CPM. :shake: america needs to get its head fixed in the right direction.

[Paralysis]

Originally posted by PeoplesMind@Mar 26 2004, 05:44 PM
But another government agency, the Food and Drug Administration, says DXM is safe and effective when used properly -- and that no drug is safe above the recommended dose.
At least the FDA gets it.

:sly:

[The420thPlateau]

This show led its viewers to believe that Coircian was safer than DXM powder. Because the only fatality it mentioned was from the pure shit. So now we have a few million more false informed moms (includin mine she watched it) i bet you even a few parents told their kids if u really want to try it ill buy you ONE packet of coricidan ! but thats ti your not going to the pure stuf!


One of these media sharks needs to be stuck with libel.

[libel]

This show led its viewers to believe that Coircian was safer than DXM powder. Because the only fatality it mentioned was from the pure shit. So now we have a few million more false informed moms (includin mine she watched it) i bet you even a few parents told their kids if u really want to try it ill buy you ONE packet of coricidan ! but thats ti your not going to the pure stuf!


so true. misinformation heretics

[Supernaut]

:shake: I think we can now officialy say:
THE SHIT HAS HIT THE FAN

This is NATIONAL.

The media is using DXM to scare amerika, and when amerika gets scared shit happens. Remember what happened to ephedra? Do you think that shit can't happen to DXM?

If this becomes a major issue (the news media seems to be going for that) congress will not hesitate to make DXM into a controlled substance. Im not to sure whats gonna happen, or how long its gonna take, (our demockracy has tends to drag things out a bit) but I'm scared. Maybe I'm just paranoid because of the drugs in my system (MG seeds, amphetamines, dextromethorphan), but I think I should stock up on powder. :(


BTW: Does any body know of any good ways to preserve DXM? Will freezing keep it from decomposing? For how long?

[human_err0r]

Actually the psychologist they talked to mentioned that all the dangers of DXM liver damage,cardiac arrest etc were from OTHER active ingredients in medicines!
But it was so quick i bet no one noticed.

What is a good way to preserve DXM powder BTW?

[killminus9]

Gay

[Walkaway]

Stop using the word "gay" as an insult.
---
Namaste,
Cliff

[TODD BLANKENSHIP]

yeah you should have called it homosexual

[Supernaut]

Originally posted by Walkaway@Mar 27 2004, 05:59 AM
Stop using the word "gay" as an insult.
---
Namaste,
Cliff
I beleive he was refering to my avatar. I seen it on "Late Nite with Conan O'Brien" (best talk show ever) and I thought it made an interesting statement about how we stereotype others... I didn't think that people would actually respond to it! LOL


BTW: For the record I am against using the passive bigotry that has infected the english language. Using expressions such as 'I got gyped', 'that's gay' and 'he jewed me' make one sound ignorant and prejudiced. Such comments also promote discrimination and hate. Please, if your lacking the words to describe something, get a thesaurus, dont just say "it's gay". :nono:

[robojunkie]

keeping dex out of contact with light is the best way to extend its shelf life. i think the recipe on psychedelic booze would help you, out just be sure to mark it as poison and not drink a whole bottle at a time, which is why its important to have a trip sitter.

[MR_AK]

I don't see why they just don't take out the cold medicne in CCC? because thats what ever ones ODing on right?? then kids would stop killing them selfs and still have an effective cough surpressant? or is our government too fucked up to do that?

:pr0zac: I love the dancing bannana. :pr0zac:

[boulderguitarist]

All i can say is ... grrrrrrr

I can understand why the government would try and take a role in ending DXM use, but why does the media try to take such a large role in misinforming the public just to get parents to stop their kids? How does the media benifit from all this misinformation, what's their motive. I just don't get it.

I think it's interesting how the doctor, or phyciatrist, whatever the woman was who had studied it had the most educated comments to make yet she was only on for one comment. The report was based around the ignorant mother and her dumb CCC kid rather than a Doctor. Go figure...

I just can't imagine how bad the special will be if Fox News ever decides to make one...

[rfgdxm]

Originally posted by KILLBILL@Mar 26 2004, 08:47 PM
In the silence of cyberspace, there's a far flung community of devoted DXM abusers swapping recipes for cough syrup brownies

What a load of shit.

No mention of the chlorpheniramine maleate in Coricidin either.
Cough syrup brownies??? As far as this calling attention to DXM, it is doing that. I just checked my website logs. Large surge in traffic. Fortunately I already had taken steps after the 20/20 report to make sure I had adequate bandwidth to handle such, and keep my sites online.

[Dex-Is-All-There-Is]

for a army person who reserched dex you figure he would have ran across the fact that dxm is a dissociative, and one of the parts of your brain that get that is the part controlling physical addiction. this is why true addiction to dxm is impossible. now you can get mental addiction, but hell, everyone is mentally addicted to a TON of things, any thing you like for a matter of fact. mental addiction revolves around things you like, thus you crave foods or to go play video games, cause you like them. so basically the addiction potential is that that of your favorite food. or quiting dxm is like quiting weed. nothing compared to meth or coke addiction. damn, all these reportes cant do like 4 hours of reading, if they did they would be able to learn just about everything about dxm. but still, they all just go for first hand views from like moms and stuff. And on a further note that fucking kid that died is pissing me off. they have yet to tell us his body weight and how much he took. i bet he took a insane amount, and they are just hiding that part to make it look really bad. and i thought it was funny that the mom said she would have done it, everyone realized the potential of the drug, well anyone that can get past, " its cough syrup, fuck that"

[rfgdxm]

Originally posted by PeoplesMind@Mar 26 2004, 08:44 PM
There are no reliable numbers on DXM abuse, but Dateline found cases across the country of teenagers -- and even some adults -- winding up in drug treatment, in the hospital, and in the morgue. By some estimates there've been more than a dozen DXM related deaths.
At least they were conservative in the death total. And that reminds me I gotta redo my website in how DXM deaths are presented. There are so many now that I need to organize them into one subfolder, with an index page linking to each death report. (Which in some cases a single report mentioned more than one death.) This way the total number of documented deaths will be listed on that index page.

[psilokid]

hmmm man i hope my parents didnt watch that, but oh well, thrusday night i did my 10th robo-tripp, it was crazy, 8oz. weeeeeeeeeeeeee

experiencing highs akin to LSD or PCP

Dude i have never halluicnated at all on dxm, not once, and i've had some really crazy tripps, about the most intense thing i have had was like 2 hour RUSH!!!! i mean it was like freakin crazy, and fun as shit.

n the silence of cyberspace, there's a far flung community of devoted DXM abusers swapping recipes for cough syrup brownies and Coricidin cocktails, and dispensing advice on how to reach higher highs or plateaus. It was online that Jonathan Frary apparently found vendors who would sell him pure DXM powder, the powder in the brown vial that killed him.

Pure powder will only kill you if you take like 2 freaking grams, which is VERY STUPID in the first place, i swear these stupid fucks that do this shit piss me off.

Dr. Shannon Miller is a psychiatrist with the U.S. military, and one of the few addiction specialists who has researched the use of dextromethorphan among adults and teens. He says that DXM has a number of dangers, including dehydration, seizures, liver problems, and even cardiac arrest -- these from ingesting huge amounts of some of the other ingredients contained in those cough and cold medicines.

God i love this misinformation, only hinting the fact that the other ingredients might hurt you, hmmmm i wonder how the hell they figured that out with their heads so far up there fucking assholes! :flame:

n the silence of cyberspace, there's a far flung community of devoted DXM abusers

hmmm ok so now im "far flung" would you rather me go out and do meth or something or become a fucking junkie..... omg i hate the media :flame:

[rfgdxm]

Originally posted by deXin@Mar 27 2004, 03:15 PM
In the silence of cyberspace, there's a far flung community of devoted DXM abusers

hmmm ok so now im "far flung" would you rather me go out and do meth or something or become a fucking junkie..... omg i hate the media :flame:
Not only are we far flung, we are also allegedly swapping recipes for cough syrup brownies and Coricidin cocktails. You mean that we put Coricidin in a blender, and mix it up into cocktails that we drink??? I'll bet that this reporter made that part about Coricidin cocktails up on the spot. Coricidin abusers swallow the pills, not whip them up into drinks. And if any Coricidin abuser actually is making them into cocktails using a blender, that dude has gotta be one crazy motherfucker.

[Slinky]

How'd they find out about the cocktails, that was supposed to be a secret! :P Media sucks.

[Ventrex HBr]

Originally posted by rfgdxm@Mar 27 2004, 04:13 PM
You mean that we put Coricidin in a blender, and mix it up into cocktails that we drink??? I'll bet that this reporter made that part about Coricidin cocktails up on the spot.
Maybe I'm wrong (and I kind of hope I am, because if this were actually true I'd have to lower the 'intelligence bar' of what I consider teenagers to presently be at, yet again), but I think she meant pill 'cocktails,' in the sense of mixing various pharmaceuticals, rather than a literal cocktail drink. Were this the intended use of the phrase, this would have to be one of the stupidest ideas I've ever read.

Until I got to this part:

Nick: “You can grow tolerance really quick. You’ve got to push it up by a couple of pills a day.”

Worst drug advice I have ever heard. Perhaps a better idea would be to wait for the tolerance to pass, and maybe not progressively up your dosage of a dangerous psychoactive, made even more so by the mixture with CPM. Hopefully, those whose interest in DXM was sparked by all the recent media hype will use common sense here.

Ever lose sleep worrying about your teen-ager and drugs?

"...Well, you will now." :(

[rfgdxm]

Originally posted by Ventrex HBr+Mar 27 2004, 07:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ventrex HBr @ Mar 27 2004, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--rfgdxm@Mar 27 2004, 04:13 PM
You mean that we put Coricidin in a blender, and mix it up into cocktails that we drink??? I'll bet that this reporter made that part about Coricidin cocktails up on the spot.
Maybe I'm wrong (and I kind of hope I am, because if this were actually true I'd have to lower the 'intelligence bar' of what I consider teenagers to presently be at, yet again), but I think she meant pill 'cocktails,' in the sense of mixing various pharmaceuticals, rather than a literal cocktail drink. Were this the intended use of the phrase, this would have to be one of the stupidest ideas I've ever read.

Until I got to this part:

Nick: “You can grow tolerance really quick. You’ve got to push it up by a couple of pills a day.”

Worst drug advice I have ever heard. Perhaps a better idea would be to wait for the tolerance to pass, and maybe not progressively up your dosage of a dangerous psychoactive, made even more so by the mixture with CPM. Hopefully, those whose interest in DXM was sparked by all the recent media hype will use common sense here.

Ever lose sleep worrying about your teen-ager and drugs?

"...Well, you will now." :( [/b][/quote]
Hmm...

"In the silence of cyberspace, there's a far flung community of devoted DXM abusers swapping recipes for cough syrup brownies and Coricidin cocktails..."

The reference to "swapping recipes for cough syrup brownies" is clearly a food reference, rather than mixing drugs. If the reporter did mean cocktails in the sense of other drugs to take with Coricidin, "cocktails" was a very poor choice of a term to use in the same sentence where adding cough syrup to a brownie mix was mentioned.

[5-MeO-ECO]

Dr. Miller: “Sure, but something is happening in the machinery of the brain to cause you to want to exceed that dose over and over and over again.”

"Now... I don't know what that machinery is. Mainly because I'm talking out my ass, but forget about that. I'm a doctor, you're a reporter, and as far as this national audience is concerned, everything that comes out of my mouth is true."

[asdf[DVKnight]]

Is there a download of the special somewhere? I missed it. :(

[libel]

lmfao @ Coricidin Crushes and Ol Grandma's Cough Cookies.

[Ventrex HBr]

Originally posted by rfgdxm@Mar 27 2004, 08:11 PM

Hmm...

"In the silence of cyberspace, there's a far flung community of devoted DXM abusers swapping recipes for cough syrup brownies and Coricidin cocktails..."

The reference to "swapping recipes for cough syrup brownies" is clearly a food reference, rather than mixing drugs. If the reporter did mean cocktails in the sense of other drugs to take with Coricidin, "cocktails" was a very poor choice of a term to use in the same sentence where adding cough syrup to a brownie mix was mentioned.
You're right, they are too close together. Either way, neither one seems like a particularly bright idea. On the one hand, mixing Coricidin with other pharmaceuticals seems to indicate a lack of common sense, and mixing Coricidin with drinks would be taste bud suicide, at the least.

After a quick Googling, I was unable to find a single thing regarding Coricidin cocktails, though I did yield a possible origin for the brownie shit:

DXM Capsules or Tablets:
Black Beauties, Brownies, Browns and Clears, Dexies, Double Trouble, Turnarounds

(Source: http://www.justfacts.org/jf/drugs/dxm.asp )

lmfao @ Coricidin Crushes and Ol Grandma's Cough Cookies.

"By far the foulest tasting thing in existence since 1934!" :P

[BONERSTORM]

Originally posted by 5-MeO-ECO@Mar 27 2004, 10:58 PM
Dr. Miller: “Sure, but something is happening in the machinery of the brain to cause you to want to exceed that dose over and over and over again.”

"Now... I don't know what that machinery is. Mainly because I'm talking out my ass, but forget about that. I'm a doctor, you're a reporter, and as far as this national audience is concerned, everything that comes out of my mouth is true."
ahahaha priceless..

but to.. sadly.. quote my hero homer simpson: "it's funny cuz it's true"







-teledine-

[boulderguitarist]

Maybe the reporter heard the phrase "Coricidin Cocktails" from someone she interviewed and assumed that it was a drink so she used it in that context because she misinterpritited the facts, but I just can't imagine reporters misinterprititing facts... :P

[rfgdxm]

Originally posted by MindDexPlorer@Mar 28 2004, 04:12 PM
Maybe the reporter heard the phrase "Coricidin Cocktails" from someone she interviewed and assumed that it was a drink so she used it in that context because she misinterpritited the facts, but I just can't imagine reporters misinterprititing facts... :P
ROFL. While I can certainly imagine that someone, somewhere put Coricidin in a blender and made it into a cocktail, I'd have to figure the first time would be the last. The idea of multiple Coricidin abusers doing this, and swapping recipes, just seems absurd. Besides, the main reason why Coricidin is popular is that it is already in a form where you don't have to experience any bad taste. Just pop in your mouth, and swallow. (I guess a secondary reason is there are some people who use Coricidin because it is the easiest form of DXM to shoplift.)

[InnerCircle]

[irrelevant/prejudiced comment deleted - Walkaway]

[nightripper]

Back when I was younger and less informed I made a coricidin cocktail. It wasn't much of a cocktail really, just coricidin dissolved in a couple of shots of vodka. The opaque pink color of the drink reminded me of pepto bismol. It didn't taste that bad, but I don't mind the taste of drugs that much. I have dissolved 500mg of pure DXM powder on my tongue on more than one occasion. If I could handle that, I probably have a high tolerance for extremely bitter tastes.

By the way, all of these very disgusting things that I have done with various DXM products were attempts to decrease the amount of time it takes for DXM to kick in. None of these methods worked.

[Supernaut]

Originally posted by MindDexPlorer@Mar 27 2004, 12:53 PM
why does the media try to take such a large role in misinforming the public just to get parents to stop their kids? How does the media benifit from all this misinformation, what's their motive. I just don't get it.


A 'new drug craze' is the kind of story that many people are interested in hearing about, and therefore it sells a lot of ads.


BTW: The whole "cough syrup brownies and corricidin cocktails" line was clearly a joke. I am amazed at how many DV'ers didn't get it...

[InnerCircle]

Wow, all I said was that it was "gay."
Why does that offend you?
Does happiness offend you?
So childish...

[LokitheEnigma]

Originally posted by InnerCircle@Mar 31 2004, 08:41 AM
Wow, all I said was that it was "gay."
Why does that offend you?
Does happiness offend you?
So childish...
Yes it is offensive to me when peple use gay as an insult. I'm not gay, but I still find it to be offending. It pisses me off when people throw around the word as if it were an insult and something to be ashamed of. YOU'RE the childish one. Grow up. You obviously wer'nt referring to happiness.

[InnerCircle]

Why is it something to be ashamed of if a man fucks a 16 year old?

[digit]

I know this is an old post but I just read it.

I worked with Tim (the Producer) and Edie (the Reporter) a bit on the piece, attempting to provide them information for research purposes. My impression at the time was that they didn't use the references nearly as much as one would hope. I thought there were many interesting things to say about subjective experiences of dxm without losing the overall theme they wanted, that dxm is terrible and sometimes deadly - but these weren't as interesting to MSNBC. Someone said it above, they were selling news and the most dramatic elements to the story were things like death and addiction.

Reporters only have limited time for their stories so they have to pick and choose among the various attractive options of what to say. I wasn't surprised/disappointed by the choices they made, mainly because I knew what was coming - having previously seen 20/20's dxm story, which I must say in praise of my sister was comparitively melodramatic and alarmist. That reporter (Jon Stossel I think is his name) focused exclusively on CCC's and didn't interview kids in recovery or psychiatrists as I recall.

So, you know, Edie did a better job but she works for a major news organization, yellow journalism and all that. I agree with what Katie said way back when, Tim Beachum struck me as a sleaze ball - he was never forthcoming with answers to direct questions - and the Producer of a story is the real architect. Katie's decision to not participate or provide her videos was a really good one. The only reason I tried to put her and some others at the DV together with Edie was because I was tired of people bitching about news stories "We never get our say!" I thought, "Here's your chance to speak your peace." Plus I thought it might be really fun for some of the more colorful dv personalities to get flown to New York and get to see themselves on TV. WTF, I was stoned. What I wasn't considering at the time is that they never would have made it past the editing room floor.

Edie initially asked me to be interviewed too, but my "boundaries" as a family member seemed in jeopardy - how could she possibly interview me objectively? - so I said no. Anyway, if you knew Edie you'd know she's not a jerk and never meant to offend anyone with this story or her bogus reference to recipe swapping (she's not real computer literate - that's probably the only thing she ever does on the web herself and thus can't imagine that anything else could be happening at the dv?) Anyway, watch her stories on Dateline whenever they're on - she's one of the best reporters out there! :P

PS. I did let Shannon Miller interview me for his research, since I in fact did become physically addicted to dxm (another post to follow on that subject) and since I am really old for the whole dxm using thing. I was an "outlier," unusual case study so that made him interested in me. If the man was speaking out of his ass in the Dateline piece, it may be because he hasn't completed his research yet. As far as I know he is the only person in the country trying to conduct formal scientific studies about dxm which imo makes him someone worthy of respect and appreciation.

[vapor]

Originally posted by KILLBILL@Mar 26 2004, 05:47 PM
In the silence of cyberspace, there's a far flung community of devoted DXM abusers swapping recipes for cough syrup brownies

What a load of shit.

No mention of the chlorpheniramine maleate in Coricidin either.
yeah i really had to read that shit twice when going over this article. i almost couldnt beleive it. baking dxm powder...

[Tyutchev]

“I closed my eyes and I saw this hall with these arches and in these arches were like giant eyeballs.”

Why are arches and hallways so prevalent in DXM hallucinations?

What's remarkable about this experience, the first of many for these young men, is that neither of them, as far as anyone knows, had ever dabbled with drugs before. In fact, one of them, Jonathan Frary from Peoria, Illinois, was the very picture of a small town, all-American boy.


Jesus, if I was an All-American Boy who was in the military I'd need drugs too, what a horrible lifestyle.

Linda Frary: “I felt pretty bad when I found out later what he was using the orange juice for, you know, but I had no idea.”

I still don't understand what he was using the orange juice for. :eh:

Greg Frary: "The recordings I've listened to, that he and his friend made while tripping, sound like they had a lot of fun."

Edie Magnus: “So you understand why he liked it?”

Greg Frary: “Yes, I would have to admit that if I were younger, and it was available to me I might have used it. I'm ashamed to admit it but yes, knowing how much he was like me, you know, I can see that happening.”


SO WHY IS IT SO BAD THEN???

Nick: “I'd grab a couple of boxes, open them up, and depending on if I felt like walking or not, I'd walk through the aisles and throw empty boxes into other containers and just put the sheets in my pocket. So that way, you know, if someone did catch me, they would have no proof that I stole it.”

They're basically telling kids the best way to steal the shit.

In the silence of cyberspace, there's a far flung community of devoted DXM abusers swapping recipes for cough syrup brownies and Coricidin cocktails, and dispensing advice on how to reach higher highs or plateaus.

I think maybe the reporter read some of those joke recipes on The Third Plateau and thought they were real. I've been thinking of mixing my robo into a blender with some vanilla coke and ice cream for a while now, however... wonder how that'd be?

DXM's addiction potential is another risk Dr. Miller says is poorly understood. In experiments, it has been shown to hook animals every bit as much as PCP, but its addictive properties haven't been studied in humans.

I love how they just lie outright and because it's about something 'evil' like drugs nobody gives a shit.

[DXM User]

They can get away with saying whatever they want --- we're oppressed, and if we stand up, we get in HUGE trouble, even if it's not illegal.

[Shadow]

/me starts making trippidelic posters for the DV march