Counselors following drug trends

[drdªv€]

Counselors following LI trends
BY THERESA VARGAS
STAFF WRITER

April 22, 2005

At drug counseling centers across Long Island, they shuffle through the doors, along with heroine and cocaine addicts -- the "Robotrippers." Some mix Robitussin with water and drink it; others pop handfuls of Tylenol and other common drugs.

"It's like a cheap effect of PCP," counselor Ryan Murphy, of the nonprofit Huntington Drug & Alcohol Project, said. "It's so easy and it's legal, it's so much harder to manage."

As a national study revealed yesterday that teens are abusing prescription painkillers and over-the-counter drugs more than illegal ones such as Ecstasy or LSD, Long Island drug counseling centers said they have seen the trend.

"I think it's still in its early stages, but I think it will get more serious," Murphy said.

Adolescents admit using these easily accessible drugs, he said.

"They're the typical kid; you would never expect it," Murphy said. "It's not like they distance themselves from society. They don't wear dark clothing. They're just normal kids."

A 15-year-old boy in a treatment home on the East End said he and friends started chugging cough medicine at age 12.

"We tried it one time and it worked," said the teenager, who Newsday is not identifying. "It gives you a hallucinogenic high. If you look at something and you turn your head, it's like you didn't turn your head."

They would steal Robitussin or Triple C from convenience stores, he said, while also doing marijuana and cocaine. "We'd do it whenever we couldn't do anything else," he added.

Stella Reinen, of Alternatives Counseling Services in Riverhead, said the recent trend has pushed counselors to update their training and change questionnaires for new patients.

While they used to ask if the patient had ever abused alcohol or drugs, followed by a list of illegal substances, Reinen said, "Now you have to say is there any other substance you have abused ... like your grandmother's medication?"

"They'll think it's OK until you ask them," she said.

http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-lidr...y-top-headlines (http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-lidrug0422,0,2747780.story?coll=ny-top-headlines)

[Eloivore]

Originally posted by drdªv€@Apr 22 2005, 06:00 AM
At drug counseling centers across Long Island, they shuffle through the doors, along with heroine and cocaine addicts
Psst! Hey mister, got any Wonder Woman?

[Bryceman2]

"We tried it one time and it worked," said the teenager, who Newsday is not identifying. "It gives you a hallucinogenic high. If you look at something and you turn your head, it's like you didn't turn your head."
lol d00d. im sooooo fukked up, rnt u?

[libel]

It's like a cheap effect of PCP," counselor Ryan Murphy, of the nonprofit Huntington Drug & Alcohol Project, said. "It's so easy and it's legal, it's so much harder to manage."

> I doubt he understands half of the complexity of dissociative anesthetics.

"It's so easy and it's legal, it's so much harder to manage."

> Its so hard to capitalize, arrest, detain, illegalize, you mean?

They would steal Robitussin or Triple C from convenience stores, he said, while also doing marijuana and cocaine. "We'd do it whenever we couldn't do anything else," he added.

>Again, appalling images from requiem a dream sicken my stomach. Pathetic. I do morphine when im sick of dxm, hardcore.

[brandon10341]

Taking handfuls of Tylenol to get a high?This guy must not be smart if he says teens take Tylenol to get high!

[Arm]

At drug counseling centers across Long Island, they shuffle through the doors, along with heroine and cocaine addicts -- the "Robotrippers." Some mix Robitussin with water and drink it; others pop handfuls of Tylenol and other common drugs.

>heroine eh? Yeah being addicted to being a hero is bad. :magnus_grey: And yeah because we all know that DXM is extremly addictive just like heroine and cocaine.

Nobody mixes Robitussin with water. Theres no reason and it increases the amount of syrup you gotta drink. More gag reflex and less chance youll get it down. Yeah we all know Tylenol has abuse potential. If you count liver toxicity and vomiting as a high.:magnus_grey:
"It's like a cheap effect of PCP," counselor Ryan Murphy, of the nonprofit Huntington Drug & Alcohol Project, said. "It's so easy and it's legal, it's so much harder to manage."

>DXM aint cheap unless you order it in bulk.

As a national study revealed yesterday that teens are abusing prescription painkillers and over-the-counter drugs more than illegal ones such as Ecstasy or LSD, Long Island drug counseling centers said they have seen the trend.

>Yeah we need more skilled chemists like Shulgin(sp?) to make us some good drugs like acid and X. Out with the bad drugs in with the good ones.

"I think it's still in its early stages, but I think it will get more serious," Murphy said adolescents admit using these easily accessible drugs.
"They're the typical kid; you would never expect it," Murphy said. "It's not like they distance themselves from society. They don't wear dark clothing. They're just normal kids."

>Yeah because we all know that only goths do drugs. When your president is a cokehead and the fatass right-wing talk show host Rush Limbaugh is addicted to Oxycontin we can do away with the stereotypes.

A 15-year-old boy in a treatment home on the East End said he and friends started chugging cough medicine at age 12.

>12 eh? I figured at 12 most kids still have the "dont do drugs" mentality burned into their head. Took me until I was 15 until I completly undid it.

"We tried it one time and it worked," said the teenager, who Newsday is not identifying. "It gives you a hallucinogenic high. If you look at something and you turn your head, it's like you didn't turn your head."

>Duuuudddee, I'm so stoned right now. It's like the Matrix without the stupid SCIFI crap. It's like my whole life doesnt exist but is a dream. Unreal.

They would steal Robitussin or Triple C from convenience stores, he said, while also doing marijuana and cocaine. "We'd do it whenever we couldn't do anything else," he added.

>yeah because we all know mixing DXM (and DXM with CPM none of the less) with cocaine wont produce any adverse effects.

Stella Reinen, of Alternatives Counseling Services in Riverhead, said the recent trend has pushed counselors to update their training and change questionnaires for new patients.
While they used to ask if the patient had ever abused alcohol or drugs, followed by a list of illegal substances, Reinen said, "Now you have to say is there any other substance you have abused ... like your grandmother's medication?"

>My grandmother actually does use triple Cs for her cold but I dont abuse them. :pr0zac:

[The_Communist_Threat]

"It's so easy and it's legal, it's so much harder to manage."

> Its so hard to capitalize, arrest, detain, illegalize, you mean?

Precisely. Just in case some of you have been living...in a communist nation your whole life...(they don't exist)...then, you probably know that MONEY, yes MONEY is all that matters in this world..if somehow a coporation could make money off of being robbing banks, robbing banks woud be legal...but..obviously, the only person benefiting from robbing the bank, is the robber..unless he gets caught...then what happens???..ahh, yes..the JUDICIAL BUSINESS makes money off it....this country and its laws sicken me...

WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!!!!!!!!!

[neko]

Originally posted by brandon10341@Apr 22 2005, 11:17 PM
Taking handfuls of Tylenol to get a high?This guy must not be smart if he says teens take Tylenol to get high!
in canada there's tylenol with codeine you can get otc, generally people would do an extraction, but technically you could could pop a handful and get high. don't know if you can get them in the united states of RATS or not

kids in dark clothing are so scary when i see them i curl up in a ball and cry

[child of rain]

Originally posted by The_Communist_Threat@Apr 22 2005, 07:19 PM
"It's so easy and it's legal, it's so much harder to manage."

> Its so hard to capitalize, arrest, detain, illegalize, you mean?

Precisely. Just in case some of you have been living...in a communist nation your whole life...(they don't exist)...then, you probably know that MONEY, yes MONEY is all that matters in this world..if somehow a coporation could make money off of being robbing banks, robbing banks woud be legal...but..obviously, the only person benefiting from robbing the bank, is the robber..unless he gets caught...then what happens???..ahh, yes..the JUDICIAL BUSINESS makes money off it....this country and its laws sicken me...

WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!!!!!!!!!
(Im going to take the risk that you might be a joke account or joking or something and just let go here.)

Unite for what? So we can take thousands of different remotely influencial yet conflicting (generally balancing each others extremes out) coorperations and let the government monopolize it all? Should we take away the evil profit and loss system and replace it with controlled costs, decreasing the quality, efficiancy, and accuracy of meeting the needs of a society of individuals? So we can stand in line for surgery AND bread AND gas AND everything because were stuck with a market that has no way of realisticly portraying supply OR demand OR availability of our resources? Or maybe so we can pave way to more of our personal freedoms bieng taken away because a large and faceless and immensely powerful GOVERNING BUSINESS has replaced a market that was once desperate to find new ways to meet peoples needs and wants and didn't just base itself on some groundless and unfounded view of whats "benificial for society"?

Newsflash: Resources aren't infinate. The backbone of human civilization is turning to metal and silicone. The sickle and hammer will eventually be obsolete. The "workers" (whatever you mean by that) can unite... but
youll be fucking up any chance of an eventually enjoyable socialism-resemblant utoipia because the state of civilization as we currently know how to produce and manage resources, is not at ALL ready for your red flag. Just your personal morality indicates that "equality" is "good" , doesn't mean that civilization and technology should have to stop using this wonderful tool called capitalism to advance to a stage where just PERHAPS, an actually pleasant medium can be reached.


This may be way off the DEX topic, but the communist threat took it off the tracks and made it an economic issue.... without even talking about the stance. You didnt even say anything about the fucking thread, so honestly what the fuck? Are you annoyed that someone is gaining money off of my desire to buy the cough medicine they sell.... and off of my action to go in and buy it? And off of my decision to do it again next week? Would you expect the pharmaceutical industrys and coorperations to have regulations placed on them so that they can't sell their product anymore? What changes in our judicial system would you suggest to solve whatever problem it is you see here with coorperate america??


(less government intervention in my life please. on all accounts.)

[commyjohnny]

The Communist Threat = pwnd!

[The_Communist_Threat]

Unite for what?

Workers across the world, regardless of their religion, culture, ethnicity, or political belief, can, and one day, will unite, under the banner of Communism, because, only through that banner, can the Proletariat be free from the oppression of the bourgeosie.

Should we take away the evil profit and loss system and replace it with controlled costs, decreasing the quality, efficiancy, and accuracy of meeting the needs of a society of individuals? So we can stand in line for surgery AND bread AND gas AND everything because were stuck with a market that has no way of realisticly portraying supply OR demand OR availability of our resources?

meeting the needs of invidiuals???...are FUCKING KIDDING ME..YOU FUCKING MAKE ME SICK....do you know the number one cause of death in this fucking world...DEEP POVERTY!!!!!..DEEP POVERTY!!!!..is the NUMBER ONE cause of death on earth....POVERTY!!!!!!!!!....humans, can prevent poverty, there is no question in that...it is preventable...100%..no child, no woman, no man has to ever go without food, shelter, or medical care in this world...we have the resources to adequately meet the needs of every invidiual on this planet.

The Definition of Communism = The liberation of the proletariat.

in this society, in order to be ambitious, you must compete...and..ambition should never be hindered due to competition, and in a capitalist society, that is exactly what occurs...instead of humans working TOGHETER..they work AGAINST eachother....

Less government in my life....but free-enterprise should be a crime.

This does relate to dxm and this topic, because....dxm is only legal because the govt can still make money off it, and so can companies that pay for people who are in congress to be there....drug laws are unfair in this country for two reasons...money and religion...and, in a communist society, both of this things will be non-existant..

Marx was a scientist, and the idea of communism, is a science, it will occur, the only question is when?

[Anarchisto]

While Im not a marxist I will give the communist threat some help. When you say do you want a state controlling you. Your instantly wrong right there. Marxism has nothing to do with the state controlling you it has everything to do with the prolerariet making decisions and using the state as a tool for there own advancement and to destroy capitalism and bring about the final stages of marxs plan where the state shall eventually be phased out.

[The_Communist_Threat]

Aphex, you said it perfectly.

As V.I Lenin said "So long as the state exists there is no freedom. When there is freedom, there will be no state."

[silent voice of seduction]

Originally posted by aphex ecstasy@Apr 25 2005, 08:49 PM
Marxism has nothing to do with the state controlling you it has everything to do with the prolerariet making decisions and using the state as a tool for there own advancement and to destroy capitalism and bring about the final stages of marxs plan where the state shall eventually be phased out.
That's the fallacy of Marxism: to assume that the state will just dismantle itself when the time is ripe. Power is addictive.

[waiting4nirvana]

Originally posted by child of rain@Apr 23 2005, 01:05 AM
Or maybe so we can pave way to more of our personal freedoms bieng taken away because a large and faceless and immensely powerful GOVERNING BUSINESS has replaced a market that was once desperate to find new ways to meet peoples needs and wants and didn't just base itself on some groundless and unfounded view of whats "benificial for society"?
Child of rain is absolutely right!

What all those of the socialist/communist persuasion do not understand and take into account is the fact that:

a) human nature is selfish and no human being who is faced with the choice of being altruistic or surviving themselves is going to be altruistic for the hell of it. The urge to survive and pass on genes is too strong and innate.

b ) power is more attractive than the ideal of equality (good dream though :shake: ) Also, on the political continuum (sp?) socialiism is much closer to fascism than capitalism is to fascism. Isn't fascism more evil and freedom confiscating than capitalism? I personally lean toward libertarianism myself (after capitalism but before anarchy).

and

c) when people own no means to protect themselves from the scum/freeloaders of society, there will be revolution or anarchy

Anyway, back to the thread! I wonder how many people who saw the part about the tylenol for a cheap high went out and OD'd on Tylenol. I don't know about anyone else, but my parents never had vicoden, codine, oxycontin or anthing else besides tylenol and equivalents. This is very harmful misinformation!!!

[The_Communist_Threat]

) human nature is selfish and no human being who is faced with the choice of being altruistic or surviving themselves is going to be altruistic for the hell of it. The urge to survive and pass on genes is too strong and innate.

if this is the case..then i guess i am not human, and neither are any communists, or people that don't wish to have kids, and people that seek to destroy the human race....

human nature...there is no such thing...we learn what we are today....the only thing that i think is human nature, is the idea of having an orgasm and enjoying it..thats about it...

[child of rain]

Originally posted by aphex ecstasy@Apr 25 2005, 08:49 PM
While Im not a marxist I will give the communist threat some help. When you say do you want a state controlling you. Your instantly wrong right there. Marxism has nothing to do with the state controlling you it has everything to do with the prolerariet making decisions and using the state as a tool for there own advancement and to destroy capitalism and bring about the final stages of marxs plan where the state shall eventually be phased out.
i hear this all the time.

and my question is...

such a radical change contrary to the general psychology of people in THIS society now based on THIS reality in THIS lack of resources (whether a result of "human nature" or not... the undenyable truth of what IS. reguardless of name.) ....


what means would you plan on using to uphold the Proletariatism?

Do you expect everyone who considers themself a worker to agree on how to run things? HOW do you plan on taking this economic system called socialism and putting it into a POLITICAL system WITHOUT having it turn into some sort of 'global capitalist' dictatorship?

The reason socialism remains an archetype is just this: that method doesnt exist yet.

As impractical as my own ideals are, (im not happy with the downsides of capitalism either. trust me. im a worker and i hate bieng a tool and bieng objectified but I see capitalism in and of itself as a tool to reach greater things eventually as humans progress.)

I would actually like to be a part of proleteriat free anarcho syndicalism one day, but i dont see the possibility in it as of now. One day, there will be no need for workers.... and one day there will be enough resources for everyone not only to avoid poverty, but to live as comfortably as they wish. But it won't come from stopping the work now. (IE: Socializing and replacing the efficiant and effective with the average and circular)

Human society will take the same road as most human individuals... to work and work and work to reach a point of comfort, and then...

retirement.

Technology is the means, and it will happen.

[child of rain]

Originally posted by The_Communist_Threat@Apr 25 2005, 08:00 PM
Unite for what?

Workers across the world, regardless of their religion, culture, ethnicity, or political belief, can, and one day, will unite, under the banner of Communism, because, only through that banner, can the Proletariat be free from the oppression of the bourgeosie.

Should we take away the evil profit and loss system and replace it with controlled costs, decreasing the quality, efficiancy, and accuracy of meeting the needs of a society of individuals? So we can stand in line for surgery AND bread AND gas AND everything because were stuck with a market that has no way of realisticly portraying supply OR demand OR availability of our resources?

meeting the needs of invidiuals???...are FUCKING KIDDING ME..YOU FUCKING MAKE ME SICK....do you know the number one cause of death in this fucking world...DEEP POVERTY!!!!!..DEEP POVERTY!!!!..is the NUMBER ONE cause of death on earth....POVERTY!!!!!!!!!....humans, can prevent poverty, there is no question in that...it is preventable...100%..no child, no woman, no man has to ever go without food, shelter, or medical care in this world...we have the resources to adequately meet the needs of every invidiual on this planet.

The Definition of Communism = The liberation of the proletariat.

in this society, in order to be ambitious, you must compete...and..ambition should never be hindered due to competition, and in a capitalist society, that is exactly what occurs...instead of humans working TOGHETER..they work AGAINST eachother....

Less government in my life....but free-enterprise should be a crime.

This does relate to dxm and this topic, because....dxm is only legal because the govt can still make money off it, and so can companies that pay for people who are in congress to be there....drug laws are unfair in this country for two reasons...money and religion...and, in a communist society, both of this things will be non-existant..

Marx was a scientist, and the idea of communism, is a science, it will occur, the only question is when?
You have alot of ungrounded unfoundationalized "shoulds" and "shouldnts" plauging this sappy heartstring bound post. Save your meaningless morality for subject that isnt trying to apply universally. YOU do not tell ME what "should" be or "Shouldnt" be.... those are NOTHING more than half wit concepts fueled by too much emotion that apply ONLY to YOUR view of the world. I decide for MYSELF the way I feel things should and shouldnt be, and I, unlike YOU... consider that relative to me... because it is, and whether you want to believe that is bullshit to me.

What means, if not for the State, is going to keep people "working TOGETHER". Competition is natural order. To stop this from occuring there must be an outside influence... an order of some other kind to supress the natural one. THIS is why I believe every attempted socialist state turns into a dictatorship eventually.

The only way socializing has a chance, is for the technology bieng made as a result of competition, to expand our available resources and make it to where both the worker and the businessman can embrace it.

The powerless are crying like weaklings for power without an understanding of it and how it works. BY YOUR means... we have red china. By your preachy, hypocritical, arrogant, and idiotic means, we get USSR.

By the means of capitalizing and using competition to expand as a society, we can eventually reach a REAL conclusion. By that time we will have included more aspects of life than just one sided economic issues as well... socialism will have been an archetype that lead to a REAL system for not just the proletariat, but for the society as a whole.

[child of rain]

Originally posted by The_Communist_Threat@Apr 25 2005, 11:30 PM
Aphex, you said it perfectly.

As V.I Lenin said "So long as the state exists there is no freedom. When there is freedom, there will be no state."
And you have Anarcho Syndicalism.


Communism is a lie.

[child of rain]

Originally posted by aphex ecstasy@Apr 25 2005, 08:49 PM
While Im not a marxist I will give the communist threat some help. When you say do you want a state controlling you. Your instantly wrong right there. Marxism has nothing to do with the state controlling you it has everything to do with the prolerariet making decisions and using the state as a tool for there own advancement and to destroy capitalism and bring about the final stages of marxs plan where the state shall eventually be phased out.
the communism part vs the socialism part....


the idea behind that communism part, is not currently ready to be arrived at, and if there's a way to redistribute wealth now without causing trouble, than it certainly is NOT socialism. Socialism is based on too few aspects of the human condition. it doesnt realistically have a means to apply purely.