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drdĒv€
08-24-2004, 07:10 AM
After the death of Jon Frary last September, it was clear to many members of the Bloomington, Ill., community that something needed to be done to regulate the sale of cough medicine.

Yes, cough medicine.

Frary died of an accidental overdose of dextromethorphan (DXM), an ingredient found in over-the-counter cough suppresants. Teens attempt to get high by taking much larger than recommended doses of DMX in the form of over-the-counter cough syrup, tablets and gel caps. In high doses, DXM can produce hallugocenic and disassociative effects.

Concerned parents around the country are pushing drug stores to move medicine with DXM behind the counter so sales can be monitored more closely, said Linda Frary, Jon's mother.

Because Jon's death was the result of ingestion of DXM in its pure form, Linda hopes her son's death will be a red flag to teens who think DXM is safe.

Recently, the Illinois State Medical Society recommended banning pure DXM. In the meantime, activists like Linda Frary say the only way to fight DXM abuse is to raise awareness among parents.

Products that contain DXM include such common brand names as Coricidin Cough and Cold Tablets, Dimetapp DM, Robitussin, Sudafed, Triaminic cough syrup and Vicks Nyquil LiquiCaps.

"Parents just are not aware that this is a drug kids are using," said LouAnn Lord, a certified alcohol and drug counselor and registered nurse at The Pavilion in Champaign. The Pavilion is a counseling center that offers treatment to youth, adults and their families for alcohol, drug, and psychiatric problems.

While many parents remain oblivious to the increase of DXM as a drug of choice among teens, Lord said more and more adolescents are admitted to the inpatient treatment center every week for using DXM. She said two to three percent of the teens she sees use it on a regular basis.

In the Champaign-Urbana area, Lord said high schoolers between the ages of 14 and 18 are the main users of recreational DXM. These students ingest large doses of cough suppressantss in order to experience hallucinogenic effects. Lord said their product of choice is Corcidin.

There are different levels of hallucination that occur when using DXM, depending on the amount ingested. Students that are interested in reaching higher levels, or plateaus, tend to become hooked on cough medications, Lord said.

Lord also said that many teens are caught stealing bottles of cough syrup and boxes of cough and cold tablets. She believes this is because purchasing cough suppresants can become an expensive habit. Two boxes of Corcidin, the typical amount needed to reach the first or second plateau, can cost up to 15 dollars.

Teens find out about DXM from their friends who have tried it, or by word of mouth, she said. She said it is more of an isolated activity, which is why there is not a lot of talk about DXM on the streets.

Kurt Hegeman, specialist at the Alcohol and Other Drug Office (AODO) at McKinley Health Center, agrees. He said college students find out about DXM by word of mouth, or by doing searches on the internet.

Hegeman said at least seven students have been into the AODO because they have tried, or are interested in trying DXM. He said the numbers are small because students don't hear a lot about it. Hegeman said "robotripping", a popular slang term for using DXM, is a closet activity. He said most students that try it are alone in their rooms.

DXM abuse has been around for a long time, Hegeman said, but has never become a large enough problem to create a reaction from authorities.

"Basically, people know that it is happening, but it is not getting a lot of attention," he said.

A number of websites promote the use of DXM. The information on these sites ranges from recommending how much to take, suggesting other drugs to combine with DXM, instructing on how to extract DXM from cough medicines, and even selling a powder form of DXM for snorting.

Jon Frary ordered pure DXM from one of these Web sites, recommended to him by a friend. Now his family has made it their mission to stop bulk DXM from being sold on the Internet. Heading this mission is Jon's uncle, Steve Welch.

Welch began the fight by enlisting the help of U.S. Representative Ray LaHood of Central Illinois to take the problem to the government. However, Welch said he is not having much luck.

"A big reason is that there have not been enough deaths resulting from DXM abuse," Welch said. "The government is interested in statistics and death. Until more people die from it, they are not willing to help."

DXM is an important ingredient in many powerful drugs on the market. Welch said the government is not willing to take it completely off the market because it would interfere with the pharmaceutical lobby. Welch said he does not want to see it banned, he just does not want the pure form to be available.

"There is no use for pure DXM other than to put it cough medicine," he said.

Besides its easy availability on the Internet, another problem with pure DXM is that people are buying it in bulk, repackaging it into capusles and selling the capsules to people who are looking for a new kind of high.

"It's a new way to traffic drugs," Welch said.

Welch said one reason why DXM is rising in popularity is because it is completely legal to buy and sell. He said the FDA controls certain substances, but has chosen not to control DXM. An FDA spokesman was unavailable for comment.

The other reason is that it it is cheap. Welch said Jon took 1,200 milligrams of pure DXM that he got from a Web site for about two dollars and eighty cents.

He said that for fifty dollars, anyone with a credit card can order 12 grams of DXM from the Internet.

Twelve hundred milligrams is an extraordinarily high dosage of DXM. Welch said that one bottle of extra-strength Robitussin contains 30 milligrams of DXM. Jon ingested the equivalent of 40 bottles.

The Illinois State Medical Society will present their position to the American Medical Association at a convention later this year. Until then, Welch is waiting for the government to take action.

"The government responds to the mass population," he said, "And until the mass population knows about DXM, nothing is going to happen."

Many associations such as The Partnership for a Drug Free America have already started to help inform the public about the dangers of DXM. But until more statistics on DXM use are obtained, no authoritative stance will be taken. Many parents, including Linda Frary, are patiently awaiting the day when bulk DXM will no longer be available to the general public.

"Everybody's life still goes on," she said. " But ours stopped as of September 24, 2003."

LINK: http://www.dailyillini.com/news/2349

jersey_emt
08-24-2004, 08:18 AM
Don't people do research before writing things like this? I mean just skimming the article I found 2 or 3 blatant errors.

ranticalion
08-24-2004, 03:37 PM
Twelve hundred milligrams is an extraordinarily high dosage of DXM. Welch said that one bottle of extra-strength Robitussin contains 30 milligrams of DXM. Jon ingested the equivalent of 40 bottles.HAHAHAHAHAHA :nitin:
"A big reason is that there have not been enough deaths resulting from DXM abuse,"So what's the problem?
Two boxes of Corcidin, the typical amount needed to reach the first or second plateauIf that much dxm is a first or second, I gotta see what the hell the third and fourth are :crazy:

Southwick
08-24-2004, 04:30 PM
I wanna be a DXM consultant for a major newspaper or something like that. Pay me to proof read your articles on DXM and I will delete the errors we speak of on here that piss us off and also change some shit that saves face for dxm and its users.

vapor
08-24-2004, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by tripp420@Aug 24 2004, 02:37 PM
Twelve hundred milligrams is an extraordinarily high dosage of DXM. Welch said that one bottle of extra-strength Robitussin contains 30 milligrams of DXM. Jon ingested the equivalent of 40 bottles.HAHAHAHAHAHA :nitin:
"A big reason is that there have not been enough deaths resulting from DXM abuse,"So what's the problem?
Two boxes of Corcidin, the typical amount needed to reach the first or second plateauIf that much dxm is a first or second, I gotta see what the hell the third and fourth are :crazy:
those were all horriblely blatant errors, sounds like some intern wrote the article and would have rather done the blossom festival article or some shit.

But look at this one.

and even selling a powder form of DXM for snorting.

They are making our job harder, this is going to cause alot more problems than its worth. Besides being horribly wrong, I mean we have had enough queastion about snorting pure.

libel
08-24-2004, 07:09 PM
Teens attempt to get high by taking much larger than recommended doses of DMX in the form of over-the-counter cough syrup, tablets and gel caps. In high doses, DXM can produce hallugocenic and disassociative effects.


:thumbsup:

levomethorphan
08-25-2004, 01:14 AM
Teens attempt to get high by taking much larger than recommended doses of DMX in the form of over-the-counter cough syrup,

DMX...Jesus fucking Christ. I thought people would learn by now.

Marowana
08-25-2004, 05:59 PM
No, they're right, I enjoy taking high doses of a well known rapper.

silent voice of seduction
08-25-2004, 07:37 PM
"There is no use for pure DXM other than to put it cough medicine," he said.
Psychedelic self-exploration and spiritual guidance are certainly of no use to anybody.

Besides its easy availability on the Internet, another problem with pure DXM is that people are buying it in bulk, repackaging it into capusles and selling the capsules to people who are looking for a new kind of high.

"It's a new way to traffic drugs," Welch said.
No. It's a way for smart dealers to make money from less than smart buyers in a prohibition environment.

He said that for fifty dollars, anyone with a credit card can order 12 grams of DXM from the Internet.
Sigh... it seems the good days are over. Prices are on the rise.

Twelve hundred milligrams is an extraordinarily high dosage of DXM. Welch said that one bottle of extra-strength Robitussin contains 30 milligrams of DXM. Jon ingested the equivalent of 40 bottles.
ROFL. Just go to the damn Robitussin website, 30mg are in 2 teaspoons already. How lazy can a reporter be.

Many associations such as The Partnership for a Drug Free America have already started to help inform the public about the dangers of DXM. But until more statistics on DXM use are obtained, no authoritative stance will be taken. Many parents, including Linda Frary, are patiently awaiting the day when bulk DXM will no longer be available to the general public.
How many victims of car accidents call for a ban of cars? How many relatives of people who drowned call for regulated access to public lakes? But I forgot, we are talking about drugs, common sense doesn't apply.

"Everybody's life still goes on," she said. " But ours stopped as of September 24, 2003."
That is really tragic... and I feel very sorry for this family :( I wonder how 1200mg killed Jon? It's not that much after all. But given the accuracy of other numbers in this article, this one might be bogus too.

I wonder if it made sense to write a letter to Daily Illini... the article was published two days ago, maybe it's too late. And I don't think they'd publish a correction anyway.

Southwick
08-25-2004, 09:57 PM
How many victims of car accidents call for a ban of cars? How many relatives of people who drowned call for regulated access to public lakes? But I forgot, we are talking about drugs, common sense doesn't apply. you got a point here. However, drugs are drugs, and we all know how they are viewed by the non drug supporters...

D3xDr0DaCl0wn
08-26-2004, 04:22 PM
HOLY SHIT??? HOW MANY BOTTLES DID I DRINK LAST NIGHT????

<quote.Welch said that one bottle of extra-strength Robitussin contains 30 milligrams of DXM. Jon ingested the equivalent of 40 bottles.</quote>


<sarcasm>wait.... does that mean that you are SUPPOSED to drink the entire bottle for it to work? the recommeded dosage IS 30 mg...... so..... :chug: WOW this shit really does kill your cough when you take "30" milligrams.....</sarcasm>

xeroc00l
08-30-2004, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by Feldwebel Pfeffer@Aug 25 2004, 06:37 PM
"There is no use for pure DXM other than to put it cough medicine," he said.
Psychedelic self-exploration and spiritual guidance are certainly of no use to anybody.

"Everybody's life still goes on," she said. " But ours stopped as of September 24, 2003."
That is really tragic... and I feel very sorry for this family :( I wonder how 1200mg killed Jon? It's not that much after all. But given the accuracy of other numbers in this article, this one might be bogus too.

I wonder if it made sense to write a letter to Daily Illini... the article was published two days ago, maybe it's too late. And I don't think they'd publish a correction anyway.
Ok no offense if you do and I'm not tryin to ruffle anyones feathers or anything but everyone I know who ever tried dxm never did it for self-exploration and/or spiritual guidance. I've seen people say this and not to say it's bs, cause rastafarians use marijuana that way, but I believe most people do it to get high and have a good time. Everytime I've dexed it has been that way, although I do look at things differently, sort of like when I come down from shrooms I realize what I do have to change in my life. I just think people sometimes say this to justify dxm and if it is used moderately and you arent hurting others, as in driving and killing someone, then I believe thats reason enough for it to be used.

And if it was his first time using it then most likely it could of caused lung failure if he had an out of body experiance or something. Thats really the only way I know it can kill you.

Lunatic Pandora
09-01-2004, 09:19 AM
Also, I don't think that spiritual guidance stuff is going to fly with the people that want DXM off shelves. There is a need to appeal to the fact that when it's just DXM it's RELATIVELY safe if you're smart about taking it, no matter how much, and DXM isn't some epidemic.

Walkaway
09-01-2004, 05:01 PM
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> "There is no use for pure DXM other than to put it cough
> medicine," he said.
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I know of a ton of medical studies that show otherwise.