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07-25-2004, 10:02 PM
BY OLIVIA CLARKE
Times Staff Writer

This story ran on nwitimes.com on Sunday, July 25, 2004 12:03 AM CDT

Seventeen-year-old Jay looks more like your average teen than your average drug addict.

He's actually both.

Jay, a good student who enjoys golfing with his dad and listening to his record collection, started doing drugs when he was 13. It began with smoking marijuana with friends and slowly grew to include alcohol, prescription and over-the-counter drugs.

He eventually discovered "Triple C" -- slang for the over-the-counter medication Coricidin HBP Cough & Cold, which can produce hallucinations and a sense of disassociation. Jay and his parents said it's a common drug used by teens.

Jay, who has been clean for about seven months, lives at Campagna Academy in Schererville, where he receives substance abuse counseling.

He and his family's names have been changed to protect their identities. They said they want people to learn from their experiences because so many parents do not realize their children could be drug addicts.

"If you look at the profile of him, he doesn't fit it," his mother said. "He's not your average druggie."

Getting hooked

Blond-haired and boyish-looking, Jay grew up in a middle-class, blue-collar family.

Snapshots of various family members decorate the refrigerator doors -- reminders of time spent together as a family. His parents have been married for 25 years. His father coached him in baseball since T-ball; they always watched the World Series together.

He heard about marijuana from his older brother and his brother's friends. Curiosity led him to try it.

"It was seriously the greatest day I ever had," he said. "I laughed at every little thing and it wasn't a fake laugh. From the first time on I was an addict."

Smoking marijuana made the brothers closer.

"If I do something, I do it to the fullest -- model cars or running track or weed," he said. "When you smoke weed, you are looking for people who smoke weed. You just know. You know who is the addict and who is not."

He started doing Triple C on Halloween about four years ago. After that, he popped Triple C like Tic-Tacs just about every day. He sometimes stayed up 15 or 20 hours playing video games, enjoying his high.

Triple C could be purchased at just about any store that sells over-the-counter drugs, he said. The hardest part about obtaining them was finding the energy to trek to the store, he said.

His drug use, he said, contributed to his depression. One night suicidal thoughts lead him to take a bunch of pills. He watched Nick at Night all night -- the whole time believing he would die.

His family sent him to a behavioral unit at St. Margaret Mercy Healthcare Centers in Dyer. He also tried in-house therapy, which included regular drug tests. Both were unsuccessful. He passed drug tests by switching the drugs he took or when he took them, or by turning in someone else's urine or using toilet water.

"I had no desire to stop," he said.

Police got involved in December when, during a verbal fight with his mother, she called the police. He landed in the Lake County Juvenile Center, and then Campagna Academy, which has a drug rehabilitation program.

Finally he admitted he needed to change.

"I see my mom, she would not sleep at night," he said. "She never gave up on me. I knew it was my last stop."

Jay said he hit a low point when he found himself on his knees searching for little bits of marijuana in the carpet "because you need another hit."

"I wanted death. I wanted an easy way out."

Slipping away

At first, Jay's parents didn't recognize their son's drug problem. He stayed out of trouble and didn't miss many days of school.

Slowly his behavior changed. He slept more, stopped talking to his family and didn't care about how he looked. Suspicious, his parents became spies in their own home. They started checking everything regularly -- from his movie and CD cases to coat pockets and door frames.

"You would be suspicious of it but you just couldn't nail it," she said. "We never caught (Jay) with anything."

They found things like marijuana seeds and empty Nyquil bottles, but Jay said they didn't belong to him. His parents kept a mental log of what they found so they could try to catch him.

"You have to give them so much trust and when you start noticing he is doing stuff, you lose all kinds of trust," his father said.

"It is hard to get that trust back because you don't believe a word they say," his mother said.

Other parents didn't help because they didn't want to admit their own children may be using drugs, she said.

Life became a roller coaster of good and bad days. They barely slept at night because they worried about Jay doing drugs while they were in bed. The parents described the last year as "pure hell."

"You try to handle the situation at home," his father said. "There just isn't information on what to do when you are in this situation."

They found a support group for parents with aggressive teens. The group, they said, showed them they weren't alone. They believed they needed to go through the steps to find the right type of help. Still, nothing works if the person doesn't want to quit drugs, they said.

"Now we're more aware of what is available," his mother said. "You don't see the whole picture. ... He had to be somewhere where he was isolated from it."

Working together

Recently home on a weekend pass from Campagna Academy, Jay walked around his house pointing out different hiding spots for his drugs. He used places like under the ceiling tiles and behind the top of the TV stand.

He said he wants to stay clean, but sometimes feels tempted. One time on a weekend pass he almost sniffed a bottle of glue, but he said God helped him avoid the temptation.

Jay said he has developed a better relationship with his brother. They can now go bowling or play pool together without doing drugs. He said it sometimes gets difficult to come home on the weekends and adapt again to family life.

"With ease I can be back in my old ways," he said. "Yeah I wish I could be out there. It was fun. But when you look back, it brings chaos."

His family also visits him regularly at Campagna Academy. He needs the structure and the 24-hour supervision, his mother said. His next court date is in September.

In the meantime, he's attending classes and hopes to graduate in January and go to college.

He seems more alive each time they see him, his father and mother said, but it is still difficult to say goodbye when a visit ends.

"I miss him," his mother said, crying.

Story Here: http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/200...ed9008388d6.txt (http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2004/07/25/news/region_and_state/7ce43bdf8ae82d2486256ed9008388d6.txt)

toshiro
07-25-2004, 11:37 PM
Seems like they should also start worrying about their other son...:sly:

cindowsxp
07-26-2004, 01:05 AM
HAHA, I didn't realize that, I only realized that the guy caved in to their parents, then seems to me like he is just giving them a sob story so he can get back to dexing when he moves out. I mean, his life must have been horrible not missing many days of school, watching games with his father, man, that life MUST be hell! Im glad they conformed him to a religious kid now. God helps him do alot I imagine.

Mista V
07-26-2004, 01:22 AM
Coricidin?? Nyquil?? Glue??

This kid's a moron.

DiarYofaMadmaN
07-26-2004, 02:24 AM
watched too many bradybunch shows on nick-at-night ehhhh.....

Paralysis
07-26-2004, 06:05 AM
What is his court date for?

:sly:

Monoliath
07-26-2004, 06:11 AM
When are parents going to stop blaming everything except themselves for their children’s behavior?

If anyone desires to do anything, they will do it, no matter what. Even if the desire starts at a young age and is not able to manifest itself in the physical realm until a later stage, it will be done. Parents need to realize this and face the fact, that the problem is not the drug, but the individual who is taking it (if for the wrong reasons) Blaming all this shit on drugs is dealing with the problem the wrong way around.

What do they want to happen? I mean how much idiocy are we going have to eat from ignorant parents who are too fucking lazy and negligent to pay attention to their kids, about how drugs have 'captured' their children? How many more sad stories are we going to have to read about the kid next door dying from STUPID SHIT before someone backhand slaps parents across the country and changes their perspective on child-rearing?

If your kid is going to be moronic and start eating shit and toying around with drugs without doing adequate research upon each substance, it is no fault of anybodies except their own when the repercussions arise. I'm not trying to sound like a giant prick about this, but I'm sick to death of people NOT owning up to the responsibilities taken on when one chooses to engage in such activities.

If your child is too young to even be ‘dabbling’ in the alchemy of substance usage, then you as a parent should be watching them, and taking care to educate them about what is out there. If they are of age, you can do nothing except make them aware of everything that you possibly can, and then let them do their own thing, it’s going to happen if they want it to anyways…the ‘drugs’ hold NO responsibility what so ever in ANY given scenario. This shit is not for everyone and that needs to be realized as well.

I mean…how many pedestrians will have to be killed in one year before someone starts bitching about how ‘evil and dangerous’ cars are? It’s the same concept of the idiotic reasoning behind what parents belt out when this kind of thing happens.

People die more often, not from doing 'drugs' but of ignorance.

End rant...:\

Migbee
07-26-2004, 09:03 AM
Jay said he hit a low point when he found himself on his knees searching for little bits of marijuana in the carpet "because you need another hit."

this is a very likely scenario. IM SO ADIKTED TO POT THAT IM GONNA LOOK ON TEH FLOOR FOR LITTLE BITS OF MARYWANA IN TEH CARPETZORRZZZ

hitmang11
07-26-2004, 09:42 AM
Why is it that a person has to be a fucking druggie just cause they like smoking pot?

toshiro
07-26-2004, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by 420shroom420@Jul 26 2004, 08:03 AM
Jay said he hit a low point when he found himself on his knees searching for little bits of marijuana in the carpet "because you need another hit."

this is a very likely scenario. IM SO ADIKTED TO POT THAT IM GONNA LOOK ON TEH FLOOR FOR LITTLE BITS OF MARYWANA IN TEH CARPETZORRZZZ
heh :P

hitmang11
07-26-2004, 02:04 PM
"He said he wants to stay clean, but sometimes feels tempted. One time on a weekend pass he almost sniffed a bottle of glue, but he said God helped him avoid the temptation."

God helped him avoid the temptation to sniff glue, blhhahahaha what a faggot!
Its obvious this is a real christian family

Monoliath
07-26-2004, 02:22 PM
This article really tells you a whole lot about the individuals it entails...

Southwick
07-27-2004, 03:10 PM
Once an addict always an addict. That's the way I see it. And "they" say, once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. Once he moves out on his own, he is fucked.

Marowana
07-28-2004, 01:29 AM
I like the addiction to Marijuana theory, it's very productive.

suicidal_imbecile
07-28-2004, 02:00 AM
This story sounds exactly like one of the attrocious videos I was forced to endure at rehab. It made laugh more than anything else.

neko
07-28-2004, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by 420shroom420@Jul 26 2004, 02:03 PM
Jay said he hit a low point when he found himself on his knees searching for little bits of marijuana in the carpet "because you need another hit."

this is a very likely scenario. IM SO ADIKTED TO POT THAT IM GONNA LOOK ON TEH FLOOR FOR LITTLE BITS OF MARYWANA IN TEH CARPETZORRZZZ
this is so fucking stupid. i do that all the time when i run out of pot, not because i'm desperate, but because it's fun to hunt around like that for bits of weed and i always get enough for at least a couple decent-sized bowls. it's like getting stoned for free and it's fun to do when you're bored. i don't do it because i'm desperate and i NEED a "hit" of marijuana, i do it because it's a laugh.

Monoliath
07-28-2004, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by neko+Jul 28 2004, 10:52 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (neko @ Jul 28 2004, 10:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--420shroom420@Jul 26 2004, 02:03 PM
Jay said he hit a low point when he found himself on his knees searching for little bits of marijuana in the carpet "because you need another hit."

this is a very likely scenario. IM SO ADIKTED TO POT THAT IM GONNA LOOK ON TEH FLOOR FOR LITTLE BITS OF MARYWANA IN TEH CARPETZORRZZZ
this is so fucking stupid. i do that all the time when i run out of pot, not because i'm desperate, but because it's fun to hunt around like that for bits of weed and i always get enough for at least a couple decent-sized bowls. it's like getting stoned for free and it's fun to do when you're bored. i don't do it because i'm desperate and i NEED a "hit" of marijuana, i do it because it's a laugh. [/b][/quote]
...there are a lot of things embedded in carpet over its lifetime that 'look' like pot, that are not pot...and you smoke them? Errr, I dunno, that sounds a little dangerous to me :crazy:...unless their big obvious chunks of course, but in this case they wouldn't be if you have to 'pick' through the carpet to find them.

neko
07-28-2004, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by Monoliath+Jul 28 2004, 04:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Monoliath @ Jul 28 2004, 04:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -neko@Jul 28 2004, 10:52 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--420shroom420@Jul 26 2004, 02:03 PM
Jay said he hit a low point when he found himself on his knees searching for little bits of marijuana in the carpet "because you need another hit."

this is a very likely scenario. IM SO ADIKTED TO POT THAT IM GONNA LOOK ON TEH FLOOR FOR LITTLE BITS OF MARYWANA IN TEH CARPETZORRZZZ
this is so fucking stupid. i do that all the time when i run out of pot, not because i'm desperate, but because it's fun to hunt around like that for bits of weed and i always get enough for at least a couple decent-sized bowls. it's like getting stoned for free and it's fun to do when you're bored. i don't do it because i'm desperate and i NEED a "hit" of marijuana, i do it because it's a laugh.
...there are a lot of things embedded in carpet over its lifetime that 'look' like pot, that are not pot...and you smoke them? Errr, I dunno, that sounds a little dangerous to me :crazy:...unless their big obvious chunks of course, but in this case they wouldn't be if you have to 'pick' through the carpet to find them. [/b][/quote]
okay, maybe "quickly scan over the carpet for big bits" is a better description. there's no actual "picking" involved. and the bits are definately weed that's at the most a few days old.

~NiRvAnA420~
07-29-2004, 07:09 AM
I only have one question to ask... Since when was marijuana addicting? I have been smoking it since about 6th grade and recently have found that my area is "dry." It is pretty hard to find any pot right now and I haven't smoked in about 3 weeks.I have had no withdrawl symptoms so far. Marijuana addiction is all psychological. If you say every morning, "Man, I need to go hit up my 3 footer..." then obviously your mind will make you think that you need to do that. Now on the DXM subject-- I LOVE IT! I found a place that sells Robogells in my area for a decently low price and I never expected it from them. WAL-MART - $4.45 USD
everywhere else around me -$5.85 , $5.65 etc.
I am getting my paycheck tomarow and plan to go into WAL-MART and get about 900mg. Oh Jay, good luck staying clean *cough cough*

When all else fails, fake strep throat...

Monoliath
07-29-2004, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by neko+Jul 28 2004, 11:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (neko @ Jul 28 2004, 11:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Monoliath@Jul 28 2004, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by -neko@Jul 28 2004, 10:52 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--420shroom420@Jul 26 2004, 02:03 PM
Jay said he hit a low point when he found himself on his knees searching for little bits of marijuana in the carpet "because you need another hit."

this is a very likely scenario. IM SO ADIKTED TO POT THAT IM GONNA LOOK ON TEH FLOOR FOR LITTLE BITS OF MARYWANA IN TEH CARPETZORRZZZ
this is so fucking stupid. i do that all the time when i run out of pot, not because i'm desperate, but because it's fun to hunt around like that for bits of weed and i always get enough for at least a couple decent-sized bowls. it's like getting stoned for free and it's fun to do when you're bored. i don't do it because i'm desperate and i NEED a "hit" of marijuana, i do it because it's a laugh.
...there are a lot of things embedded in carpet over its lifetime that 'look' like pot, that are not pot...and you smoke them? Errr, I dunno, that sounds a little dangerous to me :crazy:...unless their big obvious chunks of course, but in this case they wouldn't be if you have to 'pick' through the carpet to find them.
okay, maybe "quickly scan over the carpet for big bits" is a better description. there's no actual "picking" involved. and the bits are definately weed that's at the most a few days old. [/b][/quote]
I shouldn't be saying anything actually, I'm guilty of this crime...multiple charges ;D Yes I know...just go ahead and smack me now :nitin:

neko
07-29-2004, 09:34 AM
weed's not addictive. if it was addictive, once i've picked bits off the carpet and smoked that and there's really nothing left i'd be fiending hardcore, but that's not the case, i move on and do something else and don't think of it. i like weed a lot, and when i run out i'll make it a priority to get some more, but when i really can't get any it's not like i suffer at all, it's just not that big a deal. i guess to a non-drug user the concept of someone looking for bits of weed on the carpet sounds not so good, but i'm sure pretty much every pothead does this. also i pack my bowls on my ironing board and im pretty sloppy about it, i drop tons of weed on the floor and after a night of smoking you can scrape up enough weed for 3-4 bowls just from my ironing board.

gathering up bits of weed is fun. in fact, i think i'll do so tonight even though i have plenty of weed left.

Ubiquitous
08-02-2004, 03:28 AM
But he was MEEEENTALLY addicted to it :sly:

Ok, think about steroids for a second. They make you look strong and masculine, but why wont anyone take them? They make your pee-pee go tiny. So just tell kids that marajuana and other drugs will make their dick shrink, and they wont fuck around with it. Thats my theory on it.

Oh, and sometimes I was so desprate that I would drink bong water that was left over from the past days :crazy:

neko
08-02-2004, 06:32 AM
Originally posted by AngryMobOfLlamas@Aug 2 2004, 08:28 AM
But he was MEEEENTALLY addicted to it :sly:

Ok, think about steroids for a second. They make you look strong and masculine, but why wont anyone take them? They make your pee-pee go tiny. So just tell kids that marajuana and other drugs will make their dick shrink, and they wont fuck around with it. Thats my theory on it.

Oh, and sometimes I was so desprate that I would drink bong water that was left over from the past days :crazy:
i've actually wondered about bong water... in fact ithink im gonna go start a thread about it.

ranticalion
08-02-2004, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by AngryMobOfLlamas@Aug 2 2004, 01:28 AM
Ok, think about steroids for a second. They make you look strong and masculine, but why wont anyone take them? They make your pee-pee go tiny. So just tell kids that marajuana and other drugs will make their dick shrink, and they wont fuck around with it. Thats my theory on it.
I remember in DARE they did tell us that pot shrunk your dick. Apparently it didn't work...

neko
08-02-2004, 09:11 AM
in canada, some of the cigarette packets are all like "SMOKING WILL MAKE YOU IMPOTENT" and they show a limp, drooping cigarette.

it seems everything that's supposed to be bad makes your dick shrink. next they'll probably say that having premarital sex makes your dick small. actually i think i HAVE heard that somewhere...

Makaveli
08-02-2004, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by AngryMobOfLlamas@Aug 2 2004, 02:28 AM
But he was MEEEENTALLY addicted to it :sly:

Ok, think about steroids for a second. They make you look strong and masculine, but why wont anyone take them? They make your pee-pee go tiny. So just tell kids that marajuana and other drugs will make their dick shrink, and they wont fuck around with it. Thats my theory on it.

Oh, and sometimes I was so desprate that I would drink bong water that was left over from the past days :crazy:
bong water? thats fucking disgusting...lol how did u manage to get that down...i mean ive carpet hunted before but bong water, idk, thats pretty sickening, maybe its just me?

Ubiquitous
08-02-2004, 01:52 PM
Yeah, I used to always drink bong water untill somehow I got convinced that it will give you cancer... then I only occasinally drank it when I got desprate. And DARE is all crap, it made me want to drugs.

paladinluvcotton
08-02-2004, 02:06 PM
whata gay faggot

neko
08-03-2004, 04:30 AM
jgh

noid
08-03-2004, 11:27 AM
"He's not your average druggie."
It's sad that somebody old enough to have a teenaged child is this naive.
"From the first time on I was an addict."
Great. Now you can be a 'drug addict' even if you only try something once. :shake:
This would be real funny if only the fuckers werent serious.

And DARE is all crap, it made me want to drugs.
FUnny, I don't remember my DARE 'training' at all. And its not because I was high! I think I must have been traumatized by it and blocked the memory out...

in canada, some of the cigarette packets are all like "SMOKING WILL MAKE YOU IMPOTENT" and they show a limp, drooping cigarette.
Havent they heard of Viagro up there?
Its sad when these people stoop that low, ya know? Next DARE will be saying drugz give you cooties and make you fart alot...

Makaveli
08-03-2004, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by Peace Frog@Aug 3 2004, 10:27 AM


in canada, some of the cigarette packets are all like "SMOKING WILL MAKE YOU IMPOTENT" and they show a limp, drooping cigarette.
Havent they heard of Viagro up there?
Its sad when these people stoop that low, ya know? Next DARE will be saying drugz give you cooties and make you fart alot...
For some of the tussin users the fart alot thing is true

psilokid
08-04-2004, 09:41 PM
For some of the tussin users the fart alot thing is true
haha



This Jay kids parents are the stupid ones

House
08-05-2004, 05:10 PM
YOU ARE ALL SO MISINFORMED. MARIJUANA IS A GATEWAY DRUG, DAMN IT! A GATEWAY DRUG! NOW THIS KID WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET THAT CRAZY, PSYCHOTIC, DELERIOUS CANNABIS HIGH!

Marowana
08-09-2004, 04:51 PM
You people have marijuana in your carpet? The problem there isn't that you're searching for weed on the ground it's that you were careless enough to drop it on the ground in the first place. Damn, now I'm wishing my carpet was littered with nug.

thomasKMFDM
08-10-2004, 12:34 PM
I only search the carpet for bud when I drop some.

Walkaway
08-11-2004, 02:06 PM
ADMIT THAT YOU SMOKE RESIN, ADDICT

Walkaway
08-11-2004, 02:10 PM
I ONCE DRANK BONG WATER AS A PROTEST AGAINST MY FRIEND SARAH

Kaiserin
09-23-2004, 03:57 PM
bong water? thats fucking disgusting...lol how did u manage to get that down...i mean ive carpet hunted before but bong water, idk, thats pretty sickening, maybe its just me?

are you aware makaveli that you drink COUGH SYRUP to get high?